Episode 2
In this episode, Jeff Chandler talks with Shane Pearlman and Marcus Burnette about how AI is taking over the internet.
Mentioned in this episode:
- https://hello.humanmade.com/word-on-the-future-ai-for-wordpress
- https://chat.openai.com/
- https://europe.wordcamp.org/2023/session/panel-ai-in-wordpress/
- https://wpaiuniverse.com/
Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:02 Welcome to WP Constellations, a podcast exploration of the WordPress universe, brought to you by StellarWP.
Speaker 1 00:00:15 All right, we are welcome everybody to episode two of the WP Constellations podcast. I’m your host, Jeff Chandler. And, uh, we are short of Michelle this week. She’s actually vacationing. It turns out that she has so much energy and spends, it, spends so much of it on the WordPress community that every now and then she has to recharge. And then after vacationing, she’s going to be in Work Camp Europe. So if you get a chance to see her, please take a selfie with her, put it online, put it on Twitter. She’s an amazing woman, very approachable, and you’re gonna love meeting with her. So I’m running solo today, but I’m used to that. It’s kind of, it’s kinda like old times for me. Uh, so it’s gonna be great. But we have a great topic to talk about today, and it’s gonna be about AI. Well more like the intersection of AI and WordPress. And our first guest today is Marcus Burnette. He is a web designer and developer, amateur photographer, podcast host, and virtual event moderator. He’s also a senior marketing specialist at GoDaddy. Marcus, thanks for being on the show.
Speaker 2 00:01:14 Yeah, thanks for having me, Jeff. Happy to be here.
Speaker 1 00:01:16 Awesome. And then our second guest is Shane Pearlman, who is the president of Modern Tribe. He’s a real estate investor and speaker, and has run internal product efforts that have ended in successful acquisitions such as Surfline iPhone app, and guess what? The events calendar. I’m very familiar with the events calendar. Thanks Shane, for being on the show. Ah, it’s a pleasure. So, Marcus, I’ll start with you. Um, what is it, what is it about the intersection of WordPress and AI so far that has piqued your interest in? What are some of the best examples you’ve seen so far?
Speaker 2 00:01:51 Yeah, so I, uh, you know, I’ve been in WordPress for a long time and, um, AI is the, is the hot topic right now, but it’s, it actually goes back a little bit further than probably what everyone is, uh, is seeing here is sort of being this, this raging machine that’s come on in the last few months. Um, I’ll tell you one thing, I’m actually glad that AI is a hot thing, cuz now all this web three stuff has just disappeared.
Speaker 2 00:02:16 . Yeah, yeah. From, from my horizon.
Speaker 2 00:02:18 I, uh, I felt the same way, right? I wanted, I’m, I’m a super techie person by nature. I love all the new toys and gadgets that come out and all that Web three crypto stuff came out and I really wanted to get behind it, and I just couldn’t. I, I saw a couple practical uses, but I just couldn’t really get behind it. Um, and it was just, you know, story of person becoming millionaire after story of person becoming millionaire. And I, I, it wasn’t me, unfortunately. Um, we couldn’t get behind it. So this AI thing comes out and, and I, I see it, I see the practical use case. I see how this is gonna shape, um, our future in, in a way that, you know, things like the advent of the internet itself, um, have done. And I, I’m all in. I, I decided to hop on board and because, uh, you know, WordPress is, is my job, is my passion as well.
Speaker 2 00:03:09 I, I was, you know, trying to figure out how those two things, uh, intersect and, and what we can do with that. And what I’ve just, right out of the gate, what I’ve noticed is it just speeds everything up. Um, it speeds development up, it speeds content creation up, it speeds up, um, you know, getting imagery that you need for building websites and stuff. And so, uh, it, it, I I really love the fact that it makes everyone more efficient at their job. I know there’s a lot of, everyone’s getting replaced by AI, but I think really what, what it looks like is we will have to change what some jobs look like, but everyone will just be able to do their job more efficiently.
Speaker 1 00:03:50 Yeah. And, and maybe Shane can weigh in on this, and I was gonna bring this up later in the show, but my opinion is that, you know, AI is a tool that gets you through 90% of most tasks, but it requires a human element to provide that last 10%, or at least somebody to be able to double check the AI’s output. It’s not, it’s not at a point where it can 100% replace you or replace the human element.
Speaker 3 00:04:13 Well, it depends on how and what you’re using it for. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:04:17 And so there’s, we’re, we’re using the term maybe like some groundwork so that people who are listening know we’re talking about the same thing. There are a series of sort of generative generalized language model right now. You know, chat, ChatGPT has gotten all this energy and momentum recently, and, and what those do is they look at huge amounts of data and they essentially stream together statistical averages. They essentially say, Hey, I’ve looked at a billion websites and the average results on these websites, the way it’s coded, the way it’s thing looks like this. And that’s really helpful. Um, when you’re trying to figure out how to get from an empty blank page with things like, I, I don’t know, I, I’m sure there are plenty people listening who’ve been in the web space for a while. WordPress’s whole mission has always been to democratize web publishing, right?
Speaker 3 00:05:16 To make it easier for the average person to communicate online, to create content, to connect with the world. Um, and for those of us who actually do any of that, the hardest part is often the blank page, right? It’s that, it’s that moment of blankness. Like, but, but what do I write? What do I do? What do I create? What images I do? How do I approach this? Like, you know, as an agency, the biggest failure point on projects has rarely ever actually been WordPress. The biggest failure point has been trying to get the actual content creators at universities, at enterprises to produce good content that’s captivating, engaging, and meaningful. And so, when I look at what do I hope people are able to leverage some of these generative systems for, is to bridge the gap and make WordPress easier again. You know, like right now it’s really easy to load up in five minutes for people 10, 15 years. Now in five minutes you get a WordPress site and a button solves the whole, I don’t know how to host, I don’t know how to do DNS. Like, that part’s gotten easier, but the content part hasn’t gotten that much easier. It’s been a while where we’ve been pretty static, you know? Yes, we got blocks, but did blocks actually make publishing easier? No, it made it powerful.
Speaker 2 00:06:39 Yeah, we changed the tooling around content, but not actually getting the content.
Speaker 3 00:06:45 It didn’t lower the bar. I think AI’s gonna lower the bar, and it doesn’t mean it’s gonna replace it. Like the world right now is full garbage. SEO posts reproducing stuff. Like that’s already, that’s already happened, man. We already have that world. What it’s gonna do though, is like when my, my mom wants to sit down for her nonprofit and produce the next thing, she’s gonna be able to go, like, I’m a nonprofit focused on environmental in this part of the world with these, this is my audience. Here’s what I’m doing, by the way. I really need to communicate with this data, set this thing to this audience. Give me a draft. It’s like having an intern at your hip. It’s amazing. Do you publish what interns write? Not usually. Uh, usually you, you take it and you move on, you know? And so to me, that idea of is gonna be phenomenal. Uh, will it change the way we work? Yeah, I hope so. That’s the point.
Speaker 1 00:07:42 Um, so I mean, we, we talked about the five minute install, but I can already visualize this happening. It’s already happened in some ways at some web host with the onboarding wizard, the agent that they have, where maybe you, you click a couple things about what your website is about. But I think in the future, the very, very near future you’re gonna have, okay, the five minute install of WordPress, but as part of that install, it’s gonna give you prompts. And those prompts are gonna be linked up to yeah. Uh, certain AI things. And then like Kadence is already doing this to where it’ll based on, uh, how you answer the prompts, it will bring down, uh, a certain template or a blank template or a blank theme that matches that. And then, and you know, we used to always talk about WordPress, does it have great dummy content or dummy content that you could set yourself up with, right? But with the chat prompt when you say, this is what my site’s about it can actually use that generator of text to create great starter content for your website. And then, I mean, it’s just, it’s, it sounds great on paper.
Speaker 3 00:08:43 That that’s, I mean, that’s the Kadence. Sorry, one second. That’s the vision for the Kadence project. Particular we’ve been part of the team working on that is, is, I mean, now I call it the five minute website. Like the idea, this vision of being able to, as part of your WordPress set up, tell it enough about your voice, your mission, your, your, all the context you need so that the prompt generate can create personalized content towards your audience and fill out an entire website. Now, that part of that is to, being able to do your site now and your site structure and be like, Hey, I’m a yoga studio in Poland. Well, what does the average yoga studio need? You know, okay, you’re gonna need this, this, this. Hey, here’s 30 variants of this. Do any of these appeal to you? Which is the best starting point for your website? And here’s personalized imagery that’s, you know, contextually relevant rather than placeholder imagery. And a lot of things that, that we’re really, really close to.
Speaker 1 00:09:44 And on on this topic, Marcus, you curated the website called WPAIUniverse.com, which is a curated website about WordPress and AI resources. And I was going through there about the fun facts, and it’s, it’s so awesome to see that you use as many AI tools as you could to actually produce the website. Tell us a little bit about the process of creating that site.
Speaker 2 00:10:04 Yeah, and that’s what I was gonna say to your previous point too. The low-hanging fruit, I think here is the content generation, right? I mean, that’s the, that’s the thing that all these models are really good at. They, they have the database of information, and let’s be honest, most people, starting a new thing isn’t really a new thing. It’s an iteration of a thing that’s been done before. So AI knows what to do with that. It knows how to figure out site structures and knows how to figure out content and what you’re kind of going for and stuff. And so when I created WP AI Universe, what I wanted to do was just put that to the test, right? See how much of WP AI Universe I could actually leverage AI to build. And so it’s a WordPress site, right? I installed WordPress, I let, um, midjourney do some, some logo creation. Uh, I had it, yeah, I kind of gave it a little bit of what I was going for. I wanted, you know, to, to feed off that universe, that space theme. Um, everyone loves a good space theme. So yeah,
Speaker 1 00:10:59 We at StellarWP Love it.
Speaker 2 00:11:01 Yeah. So, um, you know, told it a little bit about what I wanted in a logo. Um, it doesn’t do text well yet, so I had to do the text part myself, but it created a, you know, logo mark for me, um, used a different AI tool to turn that into a vector, um, and then let it produce some of the imagery. I think one of the most interesting parts, right, is the, one of the things on the site is a curated collection of YouTube videos that’s, um, you know, that have that intersection of WordPress and AI, right? It’s, there’s so much AI content, but I wanted to make sure that it was specifically WordPress related. So easy enough, I went to YouTube, created a playlist, but I needed a way to show that playlist. And there are some plugins out there, but I figured, let me see what AI can do.
Speaker 2 00:11:44 So I hopped into ChatGPT, and I asked it to write me a WordPress plugin that will show a YouTube playlist, you know, in a grid. And, you know, I, I had to tweak, I had to tweak and prompt and go back and forth with it a little bit. Um, and I have some development chops, so I knew what I was looking at when it, when it came back to me, and I was like, you know, that’s, you know, we’re most of the way there, but let’s, let’s iterate on that. And I just had a conversation with ChatGPT until we, uh, got to some code that displayed it the way I wanted it to be displayed, CSS and all, you know, for the styling and everything. And, uh, you know, popped popped that into, into a plugin, into some files, uploaded it to the, to the site, and popped in my playlist ID. So, I mean, I now have a piece of code that I can replace the API key for Google for YouTube and replace a playlist ID and show any YouTube play. I mean, it basically wrote me a YouTube playlist display plugin that I may or may not put in the repo at some point here in the near future.
Speaker 3 00:12:45 I love that man, because it, like, where one of the biggest gaps for a lot of, at least large plugin brands has always been customization. You know, the number of people come up and like, I love your plugin. I wish it did, or I wish it was slightly different. And a lot of times the answers available to us are either, oh, yeah, enough people want that. Sure, we can do that. Or Hey, here’s a list of people who might do it for, I have no idea how much good luck. I hope it works out with them. Or like the ability to say, dude, just take our plugin. It’s open source, the code’s there, you know, like the engines can read it and just ask them like, Hey, how would I create an add-on that tweaks, adds this feature, does this thing a one off throwaway? Like that to me, again, democratizing bringing the bar down, WordPress has always been amazing and allowing, I will say this, yeah, non-developers to be developers, like, that’s it, you know, instead of object-oriented, compiled complicated code, you’re able to have something that’s incredibly accessible. And so letting all of these like, personalized experiences surface and WordPress is fantastic. Like, I think it’s really great.
Speaker 2 00:13:57 My, yeah, my, my only disclaimer on that would be that you do kind of want somebody who knows what they’re doing with code, at least a little bit to take a look at it. Absolutely. Before you, you put it in anything, um, you know, you just don’t know exactly what you’re gonna get. And if it’s all all Greek to you and you toss it in your site, you could do some damage. So, um, do have someone that can review
Speaker 3 00:14:19 And back up everything,
Speaker 2 00:14:20 Yes, back up everything, but do have someone take a look at it up everything before
Speaker 1 00:14:23 You and, and don’t give a hundred percent trust what the AI gives you. Yeah. That’s, that’s, that’s the recipe for danger. I will, I will say reading your announcement post on WP AI Universe, I was very proud of myself because I could, I could tell as I was reading it that it was AI generated. So I feel like I was, I was like, yeah, you know, I could tell, you know, based on, uh, you’re gonna do a little more editing if you’re gonna try and trick me if, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:14:46 But, but yeah, I, I, I fully intend to have some, some human written, some AI written stuff in there, but I’ll always make sure that it’s labeled as such, which I think is the responsible thing to do.
Speaker 1 00:14:57 So, you know, we we’re talking about WordPress and AI and, and leveraging it in the intersection, but uh, at, at a, at a company level, something we’re working with, this other WP is creating like an AI use policy. And I think a lot of other companies are gonna be working on this as well. But, but maybe Shane, you could talk a little bit about, uh, I know the EU is in the process of maybe working on some regulation of WordPress, or not WordPress AI, but AI in general, and it kind of targets Yeah. Would be targeting, uh, open source projects in the US. Where does, this is a kind of complicated subject, but briefly, you know, how does regulation come up? And I, and I, I think at some form or fashion AI use and how it’s used is gonna be regulated.
Speaker 3 00:15:43 I hope so. I mean, I believe, I believe it should be, uh, like anything that has great potential for goodness and heart, uh, right now, a lot of the big countries are trying to figure out how to answer this question. Obviously for, for the US you’ve seen a huge outcry from many of the leaders in the space saying, Hey, it’s going too fast. We as a group need to figure out how to do this safely. Good, solid. Um, Europe is also trying to tackle this. And, and yes, I, I saw, I posted that article and I saw, I saw, I know the article you’re talking about, which was very worried. And, and there was a lot of good points in it. If you look at the new AI regulation, what it was trying to say is like, Hey, we need a way to classify from like completely unacceptable all the way to like, cool.
Speaker 3 00:16:37 Yeah, that, that’s probably a fine usage. That’s not gonna mess up anybody. You know, like I, I saw, I think it was a Reuters article and it was trying to figure out, well, how do we define this? What are examples of completely unacceptable? Well, China has an AI social citizen program that uses AI to define whether you’re getting good citizen or a bad citizen. And that has very real consequences. That is a, my personal opinion, really ****** up. Great, thank you. Some AI. And I would really hope that that ends up on the, please don’t do this list. Uh, that’s really bad. You know, and all the way down, the challenge and where this starts to affect us in the WordPress ecosystem and why these things are relevant is there are sort of these, again, these big models, right? These big language models, these big models, and then if you wanna leverage ’em, you’re either hitting an API or you’re talking into it through some kind of interface.
Speaker 3 00:17:35 And the challenge that a lot of these new laws are trying to figure out is, well, if there’s a big model out there and it’s complying with rules, but somebody through an AI, through an API is really creative and makes it do something that wasn’t intended for, well, how do we regulate that? And so the challenge that they have, they, they don’t know the answer we haven’t figured out. But if, if now, you know, the first answer could be like, well, no APIs. Well, that’s terrible. That sort of defeats the purpose of what all of us wanna do in the space to leverage it, to create good outcomes and create good solutions. So I, I hope that’s not where it goes. Cause that would stifle innovation completely. The challenge though is for those of us who, Hey, look, we have just implemented and we’re like, uh, GiveWP, right?
Speaker 3 00:18:27 Working on, uh, leveraging Air Edwards Doc bot, which is an AI that reads all of your documentation and essentially creates a way to interface with it in a natural language manner like that you can just have a much better experience trying to get answers to questions. It’s just a much better search. And we’re training it, we’re working on it, and we fed data and it works through an API. And so this is a case of we’re using it to create a better consumer experience. In my opinion, level of harm, really, really low, gets pretty low risk. But until these new regulations come and figure out, all of us are gonna be just trying to figure out how to navigate it. There’s probably a couple years of realistically, um, the challenge with open source is the whole point of open source is that anyone can use, anyone can innovate.
Speaker 3 00:19:20 The challenge of regulation is to stop anyone from doing anything that desires. And so there’s a natural conflict there that we’re all gonna fear, have to figure out how to navigate. But is it long term, my expectation is it’ll be a lot like living with GDPR. Did we all have to figure out how to deal with it? Yeah, we did. Why? For the safety of individual privacy and data. It’s important. Same thing with accessibility. There are a lot of things that trying to make the web function for everyone in the best way possible. I think this will just be another one of those over time. But just like we did when CPA GDPR came out, at first I was like, wow. We were like, I don’t even know what to do. Like the rules are unclear, I don’t understand it. I don’t know.
Speaker 3 00:20:05 It feels stressful. And I think we’re gonna have a little window of that. While Europe figures out its laws, you have figured out its laws. The challenge is everybody’s working on it is so multinational these days. Trying to make laws that just apply to one country is absolutely absurd and hard to deal with and cost ineffective. And so my biggest concern is that they build these regulations in such a way that makes it so that individual contributors and startups, like were blocked. And only big companies with lots of resources can figure out how to do it correctly. And that, to me is not a good outcome. So yeah, that’s, I, I definitely
Speaker 1 00:20:46 Agree with that. Your thoughts, Marcus?
Speaker 2 00:20:48 Yeah, I, I totally agree. I think the, the hard line to walk, right, the balance for regulation is regulation is writing rules, but you know, who follows rules is rule followers, right? So you’re only the writing the rules for the people who are gonna follow them anyways. Um, so I think finding that balance of, you know, where to shut things down, right? Like Shane was saying, if you cut off all APIs, like the people who don’t wanna deal with that, who are gonna try and do nefarious things, they’re gonna find ways around not having an API at their disposal. So where you’re really shutting off the APIs for are people who are probably not going to do the nefarious things, right? But to figure out how to, how to write these, these rules and regulations in a way that make sense and keep it open enough for the people who are doing things the right way or will end up with AI that’s only used by people who are doing it for nefarious reasons.
Speaker 1 00:21:43 Well, I’ll tell you what, I’m glad I don’t work in the US copyright office cuz they’ve got, uh, , they’ve, they’ve got, they’ve got an, uh, they’ve got a long ways to go to figure out how this
Speaker 2 00:21:55 Throw it all out the window
Speaker 1 00:21:56 Work and, and copyright. Um, Shane, before we wrap it up here, uh, there is a really cool conference happening in about two days and I wanted you to give our listeners a little insight into that and, uh, why, why folks should maybe, uh, tune in.
Speaker 3 00:22:13 Absolutely. Uh, Human Made has put on a, something around three, four hour online event, um, really focused on practical usages. So if you look at, if you go to Jeff, do you know what the URL is for it?
Speaker 1 00:22:29 It, uh, it’s, uh,
Speaker 3 00:22:34 Sorry. Well, Jeff looks that up. So you can look up the agenda’s online, it’s available, it’s, it’s, uh, but a lot of it is, is demo. It’s like how are people leveraging it in practical ways into their products, into their workflows? Um, and and I think that’s really useful. Like if you’re in a position where you’re trying to figure out what am I gonna do with it? Uh, this is a nice way from home comfortably, uh, to see what people in the WordPress ecosystem are really doing. So I know we’re gonna be contributing. There’s a, a session at the end to wrap up. Human mades been working really hard on their blocks. Uh, there’s some really good projects coming along right now
Speaker 1 00:23:13 And, and, and, uh, kudos and shout out to, uh, Human Made because they’ve been innovators in the WordPress space and it’s so cool how they like, especially with When Blank Themes first came out, they were doing all kinds of crazy stuff and then they released a lot of that stuff either in white papers or in code out to the community and said, Hey, check out this innovation, check out this innovative ways that we’re using this, and here you go. You could do it too. So props to Human Made for for doing that over the years.
Speaker 3 00:23:38 Yeah, that’ll be good. You should all go, uh, as a small note as well, that’s relevant to hear. Uh, there is, uh, a number of AI sessions at WordCamp Europe year if you’re gonna be there. Um, so I’m actually gonna run an open panel, uh, on the first day talking about sort of bigger practical uses. And then there are, uh, a number of very specific sort of implementation workshops. So you can, you can go to a panel, get ideas, and then walk with those ideas to session and be like, cool, how do I do this? And actually get some support and, and practice learning how to implement that.
Speaker 1 00:24:13 Uh, so for those listening, it’s gonna be, it’s gonna take place May 25th, 10:00 AM Eastern, it’s called AI for WordPress. Uh, it is called Word on the Future by Human Made. And you can, uh, we’ll have a link to that in the show notes, of course. Um, but it’s, uh, it’s a free event, right? All you have to do is register and then show up and watch, right?
Speaker 3 00:24:32 Yep.
Speaker 1 00:24:33 Awesome. And, uh, you know, it’s good. I think I wonder how many, how many sessions where somebody’s gonna do something like in a, in a prompt generator or something on stage, and then they see the output and look, you could use it right away. How many, how many oohs and ahs we’re going to hear from the audience. And they’re kind of blown away with, with how easy it appears that you could just do things that you would, would require hiring somebody to code up for you. And now you can just use something to get you 90% of the way there and just have somebody fact check the last, you know, put the last 10% in for you. .
Speaker 3 00:25:06 Yeah, I mean, like, there are so many pragmatic uses. Like, I go to Greece on Saturday cuz we’re going there for, for Word Camp Europe. And I asked my daughter, she’s 14, I was like, Hey, you’ve never planned a trip before. Do do you wanna plan our trip? And she was like, sure. Hey, check your pt. Yep. Where should I go in Greece? I really like Percy Jackson and my dad doesn’t like ****. And so how, how do we balance? Like you know? Yeah, she, she figured out a schedule and she fed it a bunch of criteria and she was like, I don’t wanna drive, dad doesn’t wanna drive longer than this and no more here. And so we’ve got like a whole plan and it helps us pick which cities and like, there are like really practical uses that honestly like that it’s search, but it’s search in a way that seems far more natural. Uh, you know, you gotta watch out the fact that it tends to make stuff up, like hotels that don’t exist sometimes. And, uh, you know, details. But
Speaker 1 00:26:05 I, I was, I, I gotta admit I was such a stickler for AI and until I was hired at StellarWP, I, I never used AI, I didn’t use any of the prompts. Now I’m using ChatGPT for a couple of things and I’m like, oh, okay, this is kind of nice and creating these outlines for me, or, or here’s a blog post, come up with an outline or a brief on maybe how I could rewrite this and gimme some things to focus on. And I actually use ChatGPT to come up with the, uh, the tagline for, uh, this podcast. And like, I think I got the bug now. I’m like, oh, this is cool. And then I’m, I’m just prompting put typing in all the prompts, just to see what I get.
Speaker 2 00:26:46 I’m definitely up to multiple times, multiple times a day. Um, something or other, you know, hey, I need an idea for this, or Hey, I have an idea for this, gimme like three practical use cases or something. Or you know, here’s a paragraph that I wrote and I gave me a tweet for it with emojis and hashtags or something like multiple times a day. I’m hopping in there and, and getting it to help me out. Like, like Shane said before, it’s like an intern right at your side and, and you still have to, you know, comb over it afterwards to, to make sure that everything’s good to go. But it, it’s so helpful.
Speaker 1 00:27:20 So, and one last, oh, go ahead Shane.
Speaker 3 00:27:24 I, I think that when I look to the future short term where, where I’m super interested and excited personally is to see how it begins to integrate into our tools. So like my primary, like more than anything I, I, I use ChatGPT to write Excel formulas for me, uh, to deal with annoying, complicated spreadsheets. Cause it’s kinda my life. That’s what, you know, if you’re like, what’s it like to be senior exec? I’d be like, Hey, brush up into the spreadsheets. Um, but uh, and like the time I’m like, this should just be in, in Google Sheets, like I shouldn’t, I, like, there’s no reason for me to go elsewhere. Like this should just be built in. And it’s like, I have that response so many times. And so while right now a lot of people are like still going over to a web interface or the thumb they interact with it, that feels very silly. I think what we’re gonna start finding is it natively integrated into all of our tools in different ways. And I think what’s gonna get really interesting is we’re gonna see how that changes the tools themselves, which tools we use and when. And, and I think that’s probably gonna be the biggest disruption in the next six to 12 months is we’re gonna see a lot of our actual tooling change itself evolving with that, whether it’s co-pilot or whether it’s the way Bar or BS entered, whatever, it’s, but that’s gonna have a really
Speaker 1 00:28:48 Big impact and I, and I can, and I kind of hope in that future we don’t have a, an AI, like a WordPress where we have one set of AI tools, whatever that’s 43% of the web. I would like to see a variety, uh, be able to blossom, uh, for specific use cases of various integrations. Just having one conglomerate tool for AI, just, I don’t think, I don’t think that would be good. Um, so gentlemen, I wanna thank you very much for being on the show today, Marcus. Where can people interested in following you? Check you out and give us the URL again for your, uh, WP UI, not UI AI, AI universe
Speaker 2 00:29:28 . Yeah, it’s a little bit of a mouthful. Um, um, I’m probably easiest to find still on Twitter at MarcusDBurnette, um, or also at W PAIUniverse, if you can get all those letters right. Um, the U R L is w p a i universe.com. Nice and easy.
Speaker 1 00:29:45 And Shane,
Speaker 3 00:29:47 Cool. Uh, you can always email me at Shane at tribe at this point, uh, I am de socialized, so, uh, I pretty much only have my old Facebook account because that’s the only way to find Roman and whiskey collectors. Other than that, um, pretty much unengaged. So, uh, honestly, just finding WorkCamp EU like, let’s hang out. It’s, I, I missed the face-to-face part of the community and I really look forward to, to spending time with folks.
Speaker 1 00:30:15 In fact, you too, I think first met at a work camp EU and are you two gonna meet again?
Speaker 2 00:30:21 Yeah, we, we met briefly in Porto last year, but yeah, I’ll be at, uh, I’ll be in Athens this year too, so should hang out Shane. Cool,
Speaker 3 00:30:28 Man.
Speaker 1 00:30:29 All right. All right. Thank you gentlemen for being on the show again. Check out the AI for WordPress conference, uh, this Thursday at 10:00 AM Eastern. It’s free and it’s gonna be awesome. It’s gonna be a great time. That’s gonna do it for this episode of WP Constellations. I’m your host, Jeff Chandler, and we’ll talk to you again soon. Bye-bye.
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